[sdw2003] Recipe for splitting the network/business

[Domain Support]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:41 AM, BMF <badmotherfsckr at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Domain Support <domainsupport at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > This is a very common oversight by Linux people.  It never seems to amaze
> me
> > that you can be critical, actually borderline rude in response to James'
> > post.
>
> Rude? Hardly. I just made a suggestion and provided some numbers. It's
> not like I called out his momma or anything.
>

seriously, James had a valid suggestion.  It would have been helpful had you
posted some comparable linux numbers.  I could probably grab any sysadmin
off this list and have them help with an SBS issue.  Darn near every install
of linux I have seen has been tweaked to a degree and is a different flavor,
different kernel, vendor, packages, etc that makes it a waste of time to try
and get someone new to support the system.   Just as James said, SBS offers
an excellent platform for scaling up.  Yes you have to buy licenses, and
rightfully so.  I am more than happy to pay a vendor to provide a feature
rich package of applications for a pretty small license fee.  I don't think
you would work for free, or maybe you would, but considering the value in
return for that price, SBS is quite a deal.


>
> > You are trying to establish that you should move everyone to a completely
> different
> > structure and setup, with different procedures, different configuration,
> > etc.
>
> Er...no. To the end users nothing would change (aside from better
> uptime due to not having to reboot after patch Tuesday). That is the
> ideal. No retraining would be required or anything.
>

Nothing would change? Um ok, lets keep you away from the users.  How do you
propose mapping AD permissions from AD to ?? some open source ldap server?
Shadow copy will be implemented how?  All of the sudden they no longer have
exchange server, owa, active sync, bes calendering, full outlook client,
sso.  Yes I am sure you could hack together a ton of stuff and maybe get
halfway there, but are you doing this for free?

>
> > If you had more experience on the windows platform you would
> > realize this.
>
> Er...I support (runs off and counts) 12 Windows Server 2003 servers
> (all fully patched up, thankyouverymuch, no zombies or botnets here!
> But they are strictly forbidden from talking to the net in general by
> firewall rules), have had an MCSE for years (which I keep current),
> and see the costs involved every day. We only run the 12 Windows
> Server 2003 servers because of a vendor integration requirement. We
> also have a little over 200 Linux servers (which I have half a hand
> in) and around 30 Linux workstations (thin clients), 8 macs
> (executives) and a token Windows desktop.
>

Which tests did you take for 2008 exams?  Would you mind sharing your
mcse transcript?  So why the disparity in number of workstations and
servers.  If you are managing less than 300 nodes, sounds like your company
may be overstaffed.  A single admin can easily manage double that number in
Windows servers.

>
> > It sounds like you have great ideas and good experience in
> > the Linux world, and there are many people on the net that would
> appreciate
> > your help.
>
> I have more Windows experience than Linux at this point but I'm hoping
> that will change over time. Having seen the difference and the two
> platforms side by side for a few years now I'm sold. Windows has a few
> uses (such as our vendor app above) but only because of lack of
> choice, not because it is technically superior or has better TCO.
>

So you are recommending a product that you are experienced in?  Sounds like
you are just a little disgruntled that you are not in a decision making
capacity for your infrastructure.  That is understandable as each admin
always tends to want to make it their own.  Hopefully after you put in a few
more years you can get to a career point where you can become a decision
maker and tell someone else how you want it done.  And of course they will
be complaining that there is something better than what you want.

In terms of technology or TCO, microsoft spanks linux in the SMB space for
most applications.  I think either one of those discussions would be
extremely productive compared to the anti windows rhetoric.

>
> But since suggesting anything other than Windows bothers you I'll
> leave you and James to guide your client in peace now. :)
>

That is a good thought, install windows and your client has peace, install
linux and your client has a piece of



>
> BMF
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